to see a world in a grain of sand

[kowase]

WHO: Dante, Vergil, Nero, and any visitors to the Auguries within the month of June.
WHERE: Auguries of Innocence
WHEN: Throughout June/July
WHAT: Different logs/stuff that happens at Vergil's apartment-slash-shop
WARNINGS: General sparda family stuff, they talk about demon stuff idk. there'll be a birthday party at the end of the month too.



[ A three-story building with a shop in the bottom-most floor, a sign that is overtly fancy and gilded with silver, Auguries of Innocence. In the window, there is now a smaller, just as fancy, but red glowing sign that says Opening Soon: Devil May Cry.

The second floor a storeroom filled with crates of items unsorted and damaged alike, things Vergil has collected for numerous years and hasn't finished restoring, or is just holding while not ready to sell. The floor also has a number of crafting tools in it for restoring broken items or refurbishing damaged ones.

The third floor is a minimalistic, mostly grey and silver apartment with two bedrooms, one bathroom, a study, a kitchen, a livingroom and a dining area in it. It's covered in antiques, with some weapons hanging on the wall. The furniture looks styled more for looking at than it is for sitting on, which is annoying, at best.


For the Montshs of June/July, Vergil and Dante have forcibly kidnapped Nero to live with them while he's dealing with some rather unfortunate memory issues -- and this post will be used for any threads involving the trio + any visitors while this mess goes on. ]

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[ TEXT; sparda family group chat ]

[kowase]

[ Much to Vergil's disdain, there's eventually going to be a group text chat forced upon him. He'll probably try to leave it the first time. Only to be added back.

Like Sisyphus, he is bound to this hell. ]

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un: noxxed

[sassery]

FINALLY okok
ig this means were in it fr now
cant back out too late

basically instead of playing telephone between all three of us
thisll make this ezpz to talk to each other

un: darkSlayer

[kowase]

Do not fill this chat with your ridiculous images, I will leave again.

Consider yourselves lucky I am allowing this to happen, I loathe letting people have 24/7 access to my time.

[advivo]

kid
i'm going back to bed
not coming home tonight
don't wait up

mid-June, arrival at Auguries

[sassery]

[The drive in the car with his family has been something... Nox isn't sure what to name it, other than "memorable." (Whether that's a good or bad thing, he doesn't know.) When was the last time he actually spent time with any of his old family in a vehicle? In his past life for sure, but it wasn't often. When you can fly just about anywhere and leave just as quick, taking a car seems rather boring all around. Besides, the family dynamic didn't really exactly call for a normal approach to anything at all, honestly.

At some point, Vergil asks if he needs anything from anywhere. Nox shakes his head- if he does need anything he's forgotten, they'll find it for him later. Right now all he wants is to get back to where the twins live, in a spot that feels safe more than anything else. The music from the radio goes up and down and up and down, but Nox's mind is elsewhere, worried about the implications of losing his own memory and what that means for him in the long run.

...what if he never gets those memories back? What will he do then?

He shoves the thought out of his mind for the time being, choosing not to focus on it and instead getting out of the car. Nox finds the front of the store a welcome sight, even if he's only been around there a few times. Shoving his nerves down, he exhales, looking back at the twins and toting along the duffel bag on his shoulder.]

Okay, where do we go from here?

[kowase]

[ it's not an exciting car ride, but. Vergil honestly cannot remember a time where he's had more than one family member packed into a car with him. It's been years. So there's something... quietly novel to it, even if the music is not to his taste, even if there's noise from two other individuals that he's normally not used to.

And what with the fact that this whole goddamn family can fly, when would it ever happen again?
He doesn't want to think about it, and in any case, when they arrive at his apartment, he's quick enough to exit the car. When getting into it, it'd been a white Mercedes--but upon exiting it, it's.... changed to a red corvette.
Don't ask questions.

He'll turn to Nero when the man asks what comes next, and he gives a small sigh, moving to unlock the side door of the Augeries instead of the front door. The side door had a small elevator--and a set of stairs--that led up to the apartment complex above. ]

First and foremost, we should sit down and sort through the things you may have forgotten.
Just so we can take a note on if it starts to get worse.

...Dante would be better in this case, to ask questions of you. Given my own memories of you are not fully put together yet.

You will be staying in Dante's room. He and I will trade off sleeping on the couch or something until we figure this out.

6/21ish

[medicgunner]

[So... she was still alive. Her Birthday came and went, she had a... weird fucking day out with some of the Order girls and she was still alive. Before the 18th she was very much not herself and the day of she didn't leave her apartment at all. Days following her mission, she frequented Undertown to try and find some kind of remedy for that bastard's memory loss water.

But she didn't want to think of that guy for too long. She was just on a retail therapy trip when she passed by Vergil's shop, specifically seeing and being baffled at the "Devil May Cry" sign.]

Oh, this I gotta see.

[Whatever it was. So here she was, curious and with a bit of passive interest in relics and shit since she had it as an elective course. But damn if the place didn't look like a grandma's house from the movies. Contrast much? Sure Auguries of Innocence was a bougie name but you're putting that next to Devil May Cry and ya girl's gonna be confused.]

Helloooo, anyone here? [BIRD GIRL ALERT.]

:V

[sassery]

[To be fair, seeing "Devil May Cry" on a place that usually holds relics and antiques, yeah. Yeah it seems out of place. As do some of the other things that are now within the building itself- namely an extra resident and two Pokémon. Nox has been busying himself with things to take his mind off of missing memories, and it's working a lot easier then if he were on his own.

Still, hearing the door open and then someone's voice causes him to get up from his seat on the second floor, and walk downwards to see what's up. What he sees is a familiar bunch of feathers and hears a British accent, and he instantly lights up.]

Oh, shit. [He's on the last step of the stairs, eyes flicking to Eunie and then back upstairs.] Hey, Vergil-! Got someone here. [That's a grin on his face, one hand putting down the rag and the other hand still holding onto the handle he's been working on.]

Been a while, Eunie. Promise I haven't gotten into too much trouble lately. [His tone indicates a "yet" in there. He hasn't gotten into trouble yet.]

ambiguously 6/22

[fionnuisce]

[Waver did come by the shop on occasion--Vittore was somewhere between 'the kind of person he was used to talking to' and 'entertaining to see the look on his face reacting to weird shit', in addition to the shop's collection being something that held his interest.]

[...The sign, however, was new. He paused and lowered his sunglasses to be sure he was seeing this right, as that didn't quite fit with his impression of the intended aesthetic. Highly suspect to say the least, and really what was there to do but investigate?]

Hey, Vittore? [Stepping inside and settling his glasses on his head, Waver called out with about as much intrigued confusion as was written on his face.] Sign's new, there something going on?

[he said, surely walking into a disaster]

[advivo]

[ things dante is not used to; people calling vergil by the name vittore. things that immediately get dante's attention; someone walking into the shop and calling out vergil's name when the man is nowhere in sight. he almost calls out to his brother, but curiosity has his mouth pressed into a line as he tilts his head toward the front door. ]

Sorry, he's busy at the moment. Anything I can do for you?

[ look waver, there is two of them. ]

late June or something idk

[asipofbride]

[ it feels a little weird to be doing this?

Wolfwood probably cuts one hell of a figure all dressed up in black and gray with his well worn motorcycle and his giant-ass cross in his sidecar, sitting outside of the Auguries for about twenty minutes as he works up his nerve (and definitely doesn't look like a murderer casing the joint, definitely not).

but Dante's been... heavy, lately, even though he plays it off because he's Dante and it'll be a cold day in hell before he shows the full breadth of his belly and lets people think he's got a weakness. so. Vash had an idea, because Vash doesn't do but anything but think for eighteen hours a day, his big dumb plant brain running and running and running until he came upon the idea of a care package, and if Wolfwood wanted to drop it off while Vash would be at work that'd be superrr thank you!!

so here Wolfwood was, cigarette burning his his mouth, Cross Punisher hefted over his shoulder and a basket hanging in his other hand as he manages to let himself into the Auguries... somehow, someway, looking around for some glimpse of familiar silver. ]

[kowase]

[ Vergil doesn't oft take notice of people who park in the little parking lot next to the augeries--usually, its people going to the next door cafe, or the used bookstore on the other side. An antiques shop is good for a visit, but most people don't come inside looking to buy the frankly pricey items Vittore has on sale.

So, from the dimly-lit desk space off to the side of the show floor of the shop, Vergil slowly lifts his head from where he's been reading a book to... stick Wolfwood with a bitterly annoyed look as the man came in with a goddamn lit cigarette. ]

...There are items made of antique wood in here. Stub that out and then try entering again.
[ ...this looks less like a customer, and maybe... ]

Nero. [ he calls out, loudly. ]
I believe one of your friends has come to visit...

[ A Party in the Auguries ] forward dated, 6/30

[kowase]

[ This wasn't his idea.

It'd been years since he'd had something like a Birthday Party. His parents throwing his last big one when he turned 25, and then he was out on his own and he really didn't desire another big, loud party full of rich assholes.

However, he doesn't have much of a choice when a pair of rowdy boys from a Desert Planet show up with enough pizza and ice cream to kill a man--as well as enough liqor to supply for most of the night for those present--and those who might show up.

Because while Vergil didn't really tell anyone it was his Birthday--much to his dismay, within an hour of aforementioned desert idiots showing up to party with Dante and Nero--the yellow-haired idiot (who Vergil's decided to spend the rest of the night ignoring due to how Loud and irritating he was) has taken it upon himself to make a small, but noisy network post: ]

It's Dante and his Brother's Birthday, come to Dante's place up in that Augeries shop for some pizza and a party.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[ ...so he's left to whatever suffering might show up to his house for what's going to become a pretty loud party in its own rights--but at least it's mostly just drinking game and loud chatter with the number of people who show up, instead of a bunch of rich idiots showing off their recent purchases or new companies... ]

{{**ooc THIS IS AN OPEN LOG for the party at Dante and Vergil's apartment--you can leave open posts to tag any of the above mentioned characters, or just have your character show up to party along with them. Happy Birthday twins. }}

[drewthetower]

[As August enters the Auguries, his familiars fly over to either twin and drop off their presents since August has his hands full with non-pizza food.

Tacos. He brought the stuff for homemade tacos. And soda! He didn't get the message from Vash until he was halfway here, so.]

You're lucky Marianne got outvoted, she wanted to send me a get-along-shirt as a gag gift for you, Vittore.

[Instead Vittore gets an older printing of a collection of Sherlock Holmes stories and a bag of very nice coffee beans. Dante gets the card game Exploding Kittens, more coffee beans and a card from August saying he wasn't sure about his hobbies but he's pretty sure absolutely nothing can ever go wrong playing a card game against your brother. (August will also offer to get Dante something more personalized, he's just working with what he has here.)]

[advivo]

[ dante, notably, is not present initially when the party kicks off having snuck off just before with a wink and a grin toward the desert boys and his dear brother. won't be long, he said, won't be long at all. it's about thirty minutes in that he reappears in the doorway of the augeries with the biggest grin on his face, sticks in his hair, and a odd orb shaped bird the size of the cat. ]

Hey, Verge! [ he's basically bouncing crossing the space up to his brother's side. ] Happy Birthday, here's your present. [ he holds out the bird, expression softening into something fond. ] His name is Griffin.

[ after this dante is easily found mingling, doing his damn best to enjoy the party he had initially been so resistant to - vash's presence makes it easy to enjoy, partially because the man's bubbly energy is just damn infectious and dante has always been the sort of guy who thrives under attention. something that the party is giving him in droves. ]

[throwmoreswords]

i. vergil
[ it takes Gilgamesh a minute to figure out the message on the network as he's doing very important work (scrolling through his phone, ignoring Netflix's autoplay, and deeply ignoring his work e-mails while he eats cookies) but once he connects 'Dante and his Brother', a flash of... annoyance, rolls over the king.

man. he's just a man.

Vergil's still getting a text that says 'oh, you suck and then Gil's going radio silent because he has to get up and comb his hair and find pants and text Ms. Takamaki about having at least a brief function and needing her to grab suitable wrapping for gifts and while he puts together an outfit and pulls a few favors out of his back pocket and--

long, convoluted story short, Gilgamesh rocks up to the function in his black and white just-barely-not-a-track-suit with two black gift bags and hopefully Ann, looking for glimpses of silver like a bitch seeking missile as he sweeps up on Vergil, eyes narrowed. ]

If you'd given me at least a week's notice, I could've done better than this, Mr. Vittore.

[ it's back to the naughty last names couch for you, Vergil, but at least the gift bag containing an incredibly expensive bottle of wine and a rather gorgeous lapel pin might take some of the sting out of it... even if Gil is gonna try and make his excuses to leave after about fifteen minutes. ]

ii. before and after

[ it's not like Gil is being subtle as he sweeps into the party and attempts to sweep back out--though Vergil's apparently going to do his level best to make Gil stay and hang out with him.

he will wreck your ass at beer pong if you dare challenge him. ]

[lapislazily]

[vergil;]
[Zhongli shows up much to the surprise of everyone involved including himself, especially considering this is a loud party and he tends to observe rather than jump right in. But it would be rude to overlook the birthday of a friend, especially one that he's had for as long as he's known Vergil, so here he is with two small mahogany boxes in his hands.

The thing he isn't sure of is Dante. He knows of the brother's existence, and there have been a few hints at his personality, but he isn't really sure what else to expect... He had to do twice the work, but hopefully it's fine?

He approaches Vergil first.]

Ah, Vittore. [He finally dropped the Mr., today is a cause for celebration.] Happy birthday, friend. I wondered for a while what sort of thing one could get the man who seems to collect a bit of everything. In the end, I elected to have something... made. I hope it's to your satisfaction.

[Inside the box he hands over is a dagger carved of bright blue jade, with silver and gold to form a proper hilt and support the handle, abstract wind motifs swirling across the surface of both. The curve is unique enough that the eye naturally fills in the shape.]

There are two things to note. The first is that this dagger has been enchanted with wind magic. It isn't particularly strong, but it may make it easier to channel spells if you are practicing. The second is that much like you, it has a twin, which I intend to give to your brother. Each is perfectly capable of functioning on its own and needs no accompaniment—but when displayed together, they become something more.

[IT'S SYMBOLIIIIIC~]

You may find it useful for opening letters.

[dante;]
[Zhongli has never met Dante but at least he can guess what he looks like. Armed with the other wooden box, he clears his throat and steps right into Dante's line of sight while he's between conversations.]

Dante, I presume? I'm Zhongli, a friend of Vittore's. We've never met, but it would be uncouth to show at a party without a present. Happy birthday.

[He holds out the box. Inside is a red jade dagger with elegant fire detailed along the blade and the handle, which is made of gold and silver. It fits perfectly against the one that he gave to Vergil, should he grow curious. Together, they make a jade set that seems to tell a story about a dragon soaring amongst the clouds.]

[the party;]
[Zhongli is really not the partying type and there is too much booze and not enough tea for his liking, but he'll be polite enough to linger for a half hour in case someone wants to hide in the corner with him. He's not touching the pizza. Sorry.

He is, however, drinking an old fashioned. Trust this motherfucker to find the bitters.]

[bebest]

[Zulius has ways and means of finding things out about people. He's an Intrigue Collector, after all. He has spiderwebs of gossip running around this city. Which is to say he found out about the twin's birthday before this excitable message. Or...well, Vergil's anyway, given Dante is still relatively new to this world. But it doesn't take rocket science to understand how twins worked.

Anyway, he's absolutely not gonna miss this shindig for anything! So naturally, he rocks up ready to party! ]

[Vergil]

[Vergil was easier to find than he expected. Zulius had honestly wondered if Vergil would just peace out of the entire thing. Parties definitely don't seem the man's...style. He's pleasantly surprised to find him here, trotting over to the over man with a grin.]

Do you know how hard it is to find info on someone who has like, zero online presence? Too bad for you, I found about this anyway. So, happy birthday, Gorgeous!

[He hands over a pretty wrapped box, inside which Vergil will find a delicately carved sword and scabbard. It's definitely an antique.]

Apparently it's from the 19th century. That's what all the fancy paperwork that came with it said, anyways. I'll be totes honest, that's not my thing, I just thought the blue suited you.

[Dante]

[He catches Dante once he finally returns from his little birthday errand, with a little box. He trots over with a wide grin and a nicely wrapped box. Inside, Dante will find a rapier disguised as a snake bracelet. ]

Happy B.Day, Sugar Tits! Hope you like it! Figured you could have something fancy to wear when Verg inevitably drags you to some fancy dinner, you can put it on a fabulous bicep or something, buuuuuut you'll still have the chance to stab someone. Y'know, if you feel the need. Live your truth, and all that.

[Party]

[Zulius is always the life and soul of any party, so he can be found mingling about, trying to drag people into dancing and enjoying some booze. He'll also most certainly eat that pizza, he is NOT above that greasy mess masquerading as food. ]

[sassery]

[[For Vergil.]

This one is harder than he imagined, really. Which is dumb. It's stupid. Why is he even worried about this, Dante even agreed with him to give him the book when he felt it was time. And yet there's still that quiet little voice in his head that tells him he's making a mistake, and that what he's about to do is going to make everything so much worse.

Still, he's going to find a moment when Vergil isn't constantly surrounded by Dante, and makes sure he's not interrupting anything too big when he does.]

Hey, so. [He bites his lip, hesitates at how to word himself, then sighs.] You remember asking me ages ago about what it was that you asked me to take care of, right?

[Nox gently brings out a thin box, a bow neatly tied on both sides to keep it together. There's something soft in his eyes, knowing how important this is for Vergil.]

Here. I kept it safe, just like you asked.

[[For Dante.]

Dante, however.

Dante, Nox finds, is harder to pick out something for. Not because he isn't sure of what to get his uncle, but more along the lines that he wants to give him something important, since that's what he gave Vergil.

So it takes time before Nox decides on what to do, and even longer to get it done. But somehow... he isn't sure this is what he'd do in his past life- sentimental things were something Nero knew how to act on and argue about. But talking? Actually doing something this personal? It's not something Nero would make himself exceptionally vulnerable to, but Nox? This feels like it would matter, a lot.

So off he goes, first dropping by a liquor store to grab a bottle of Fireball, and then back to Auguries to find his uncle. He can feel his nerves tense as he waits for Dante to be free, but when he is, well.]

Look, old man, got a moment? [Birthday or not, Nox is not giving him the important part out in the open where anyone else can see. He knows he wouldn't have taken that well as Nero, and he's almost positive Dante is the same. So once they're definitely not in view of most people, Nox will breathe, and start things off.]

First off, if I see you chug all of this shit in a night I'm gonna laugh my fucking ass off. [For drinking an entire whiskey bottle, of course, but he's joking, honestly. But there's a clear second or so where there is a very Nero instance of him hesitating on what to say, before he shakes his head, and offers a small smile.] Secondly, I wanted to make sure you got something important too, you know?

[Handing what looks like a folded card over to Dante, Nox is going to turn his head a bit and try not to fall into old habits here.

As for Dante; what he'll find when he opens it is a drawing- but it's also more than that. It's a drawing of Dante and Vergil, conked out on the couch and leaning against each other. Dante's slumped further down into the cushions, head against Vergil's shoulder, and Vergil himself is relaxed and his head is against Dante's.

But as Dante looks it over, the details are going to stand out far clearer. Vergil's attire is familiar; it's not the one he wears in Kaisou, but the one Dante remembers. The couch is also worn in places that Vittore would never allow it to get as bad as it has. There's no adornments on the walls, no fancy wallpaper, no indication they're on the second floor of an antique shop at all. Dante is going to realize where this is relatively easily.

This isn't a drawing of the two of them here and now. This is a drawing of a memory Nox remembers. As Nero. With the both of them, back at Devil May Cry.

Happy birthday, Dante. :)

[At the party.]

Of the three Spardas, Nox is probably one of the loudest there. He's a bunch of grins and is definitely friendly to everyone he meets. Most of the time you'll catch him flitting between people before crashing into a seat and acting like a sassy asshole. Also, drinks? Drinks are good. Despite not having all his memories back, that's not about to stop him from having a good time.]

for Vergil bc ya boi is a shit

[sassery]

[Most days Nox leaves Vergil alone during his shift, trying his best to find something to do. Sometimes it's tinkering with stuff he's brought. Sometimes it's training Jet to be careful around Vergil's things (and he's surprisingly good at it). Sometimes Nox even takes out a clipboard and draws out plans for the next basketball practice. But at the end of the day, his demon is restless, a mixture of crawling up the walls and also frustratingly wanting to be violent. It's a process to balance the emotions, but for Nox, it's one that he's gotten used to over time.

Today is one of those days, however, where he's bored out of his mind, and so the obvious answer here is to bug Vergil. Which is why, during his father's shift, he's going to get his son paying him a visit from upstairs and purposely sitting on the edge of the desk that Vergil sits at.

A brow goes up at the book his father currently has, but he at least seems interested.]

So, what book is that?

[For once, he's not trying to be a shit. He still is a shit anyway.]

[kowase]

[ it's becoming oddly normal, having not one, but two family members in his home at all times. There's so much more noise--what with how dante and nero would sometimes argue in another part of the house--but it isn't an UNPLEASANT din. No, it's actually getting closer to being almost eerily uncomfortable when things start to get too quiet.

Which is why, two weeks ago, he may have gotten irritated at Nero for interrupting his reading, and would have finished the current page he was on before even bothering to entertain the boy with an answer.

his eyes flick up, though, after just a moment as he wonders if this question was in good faith, or...

He flips the book over to show Nero the cover. ]

'Things Fall Apart,' by Chinua Achebe. It's a twin-storied drama published in 1959, and was banned in quite a few places in Europe, due to its critical portrayal of European colonialism.

...

It's definitely a very harsh read, given the subject matter.

7/1; after the knivening

[asipofbride]

[ frankly, it's probably a minor miracle that Wolfwood makes it to the Auguries of Innocence without running himself off the road with how bad his hands are shaking. he sits outside with his gun for a while, smoking through one cigarette, then two, and he's on a third by the time he gets to his feet and shuffles his way inside the store.

his head is spinning and he feels kind of ill; he probably should've eaten before he ran off from the cottage, but he's here now and that's a problem for Wolfwood in an hour or two--and he's likely barely inside the Auguries before he remembers the rule about not smoking because of Danteface's stupid wood so he snatches the cigarette out of his mouth and crushes it in his hand, looking around for a certain red-clad devilhunter or... hell, even his mean-ass twin.

Big Blue looks like the kind of bitch that would pay a guy to disappear, and what is Wolfwood if not annoying? ]

[kowase]

[ maybe it's the new demon blood. the fact that he's painfully aware of his surroundings, and what's HIS, and this territory is his.
He hears that motorcycle rock up. He can see the man through one of the windows, chainsmoking himself into oblivion. either this man has a nicotine fixation or he's stressed about something. Is he mad that he kicked him out at about 8am this morning after cooking him a frittata and a good espresso?

he'll at least wait until the man enters before fixing the man with a quiet stare, and a little sigh. ]

Back again.
Did not have enough fun last night?

[ dated 7/5, closed to Wolfwood ]

[kowase]

[ it's the morning of the third day that Wolfwood's been at the house. it's less of a bother than it was at the beginning--he's starting to, unfortunately, get used to the chain-smoking hitman-looking man being in his space with his son and brother.

He's out minding the front desk of his shop when he catches a glimpse of Nick near the Devil May Cry office space. Getting his things together, and getting ready to leave.

..The man hasn't left since Dante apparently gently bullied him to stay, so this is... concerning. Maybe it was safe for him to go home? A very petty part of Vergil wants to stay quiet and watch him leave, but. ...Knowing Dante currently isn't home because he's, assumedly, taking care of the other desert idiot who's currently dealing with some sort of issue back in his weird vegetable-laden house.

...Which means he highly doubts that Nicholas is going back there, as, he likely would have, along with dante if he was going to go at all.

He sighs as if it's the greatest burden of all.

getting out of his seat, and moving over to flip the 'closed' sign onto the auguries, and shooting Wolfwood a look. ]

Are you going anywhere in particular.

[asipofbride]

[ it's not that he was planning to stay gone

probably

sure, it's deeply suspicious that Wolfwood emerged from Dante's office while Dante is off doing stuff, and without the shadow of Lucifer the dog on his heels, hands in his pockets and cigarette tucked behind his ear as he tries to quietly sidle out the front door--only to be caught by Dante's twin at the door, staring him down and doing his best to keep a poker face.

if only he hadn't forgotten his fucking sunglasses. ]

Wanted to go on a ride while it was less wet and more gray.

[ which is further proven to be strange by the simple fact that Wolfwood's cross is nowhere to be seen--not on his back, or in Dante's office (because he slipped it into that little space in between that just started showing up for him, so he'd be less conspicuous, harder to pick out of a crowd-- ]

You takin' lunch or something?